In an artist's book the > EXPRESSION is a primary concern.. Judy (______________(/( > Kerman (Mayapple Press(/( > Saginaw, (______________(/ >? Richard responds: > > Artists and murderers are, because of the acts they commit. The following is an extract from the catalogue of "Artists Books -An Exhibition at the Johannesburg Art Gallery from 25th August to 27th October, 1996." In view of the present attempt to define an artists book, I thought it could become my tuppence worth. If I call myself an artist, no one can say with certainty otherwise. If you start to blur the definition of everything, you completely destroy the language. At 05:25 PM 3/9/98 -0400, you wrote: > Why Sam, random acts of art, of course; -) > >> OK, Richard. The collector who owned the copy proudly told me that the book could never be touched by the human hand because the oils from the skin would permanently damage the finish. I feel what people struggle with when defining what an artist's book is, is the connotation of the term "book". Dear Friends This whole discussion has been interesting. I don't think that's what you meant. Typographical artists' books, and, anyway, is typography textual or visual -- isn't it both? I feel a can of worms coming on! My books critique and subvert other book forms. There's room on my library shelves for all kinds of books. It is better for all concerned when an *artist* pays enough attention to detail that their works do not fall to pieces until after they have passed from the scene. And so on. I know from experience that it is not _all_ book artists as there are many who care deeply about the craft aspect, but I also think that what Nicholas said is just a general feeling which abounds in some circles which seem to be very dominant. So, next month there will be a solo show of my books at UCLA called "Toying With Books: Playing With Conventions". From: "Peter D. Duchamp's urinal could be perceived as a new and challenging concept, but only once, and only when he did it. Some time ago I think the list dealt with the equally complex issue of what a book is. If you took a person of the strict realist painti= ng times sthey might not even think of the cave paintings as paintings.= As "real" paintings. This gets back to the bookness aspect. But Hamlet would still be Hamlet, even if it was written with a nail on a pine board. Regarding non-narrative, non-sequential, non-manipulatable works that are called books, I too have a problem. For him/her a form or an image of a book is used to convey a certain message that is not connected with book as a medium. The great inconvenience and inefficiency of rolling and unrolling became more and more of a problem. Best wishes to all and to all a good night. There are no >other characteristics. This is another classic craft for Valentine's day, the first time I did this I was barely older than my son. I was excited to see how much my son liked making it Or the more likely reverse? For all this, and many other reasons, that many of you could probably come up with, I think that a discussion about the ART OF A BOOK should be held first before discussing "artist's book". The BOOK's appeal seems so certain that thousands of content creators have committed to the platform. The lyfe so short; the craft so long to lerne." Chaucer, _The Parlement of Foules_ 1386. I think that there needs to be some form of content (text, illus) but then there are many beautiful _blank_ books which display all the other properties of bookness AND art, yet the content is lacking. Judith wrote: Language is a consensus concerning useful >>ranges of unavoidable fuzzynesses, not sharp distinctions. Philol. Soc 22.
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Here's how it works.. He said he still has his first copy of Walden: he keeps it on his desk where he can see it, though this copy is now retired from camping trips: too fragile and special to him to risk further accident. I don't disagree with you Charles, in fact, I do agree. It's perhaps primary, but typography without a distinctive relationship of >that typography to the content/meaning of the text at hand, is merely a >typographer's hubris, or just bad work, perhaps. At 08:30 PM 3/4/98 -0700, you wrote: > Ohhhhhhh Peter! Still, there is something unsettling about these books that are, to my mind, too well-crafted for their own good. Regards, Richard. It's as if well-made books are >disqualified from being considered as an "artist's book" because the person >making said object is merely a craftsperson and incapable of art. The long and the short of all this is that if Mary Smith calls herslf an artist, and makes what she calls artists books (with or without the apostrophe), then who is to say otherwise. From: Jack Ginsberg JackG__at__CJPETROW. Upon careful review of their training program I learned that the only *new* thing which they had to teach me consisted of 6 months of conduit bending. In a very general way, I guess I'm not an advocate of people banging their books around. The books that they bind are often works of art. I found it a frequent (and depressing) attitude. Are you a masochist? I don't"---end of discussion. From: Sally Jackson serifm__at__FASTLANE. My first post. From: R Starr rstarr__at__UMBC2. As Nitzche said in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" is not important what is one freed from but what is he freed to. Art Rubino Numismatic & Philatelic Arts of Santa Fe Antiquarian Book Sellers P. Sometimes, I am craftsman, and sometimes I approach the realm of artist. An artist's book is a book made by an artist. Generally, my favorite books are those I love to read and whose whole being collaborates in the meaning of that reading. While it is their form and physicality that attracts me- I can't read any of the books I show them, I think that looking at the history of the book says that change will continue. We may disagree as to the value, importance, or relevance vel non of any given principle but the discussion can be organized this way. Any idiot can throw a can of paint at >a wall and call it art. A book is an artist's book if an artist so intends it and an artist is one who so intends it." The question gets begged and begged. The word "book" is of Germanic origin, and is kin to modern German "buch", meaning book, but, lo and behold, also "beech tree", therefore belying its use in the codex form. Since you tossed the bomb -- I do not agree at all that an artist's book is a comment on aspects of a book. Maybe we <are> living in a >post-art-history era. This new form was called a "leaf binding", or "sutra binding". I am a professional hand bookbinder, skilfull and knowledgable when comes to different structure of a book. Then using the stencil, I cut the design into the case buckram in the area of the front board. Reading all these postings is fun, but it also makes me think of what happens >to beautiful working dogs (Collies, Irish Setters) when the breed becomes >registered and standardized. I think of it in= terms of what function it serves not what form it takes. I think the craft and art need to continue to evolve, as they have done > from the beginning. There is a section on artist's books and this is where the discussion started. Forgive my jumping in. Neither an artist, nor an artisan, but a mechanic. I'll be sharing about this in a guest post for Larry The Deuce at his Deuceology blog on Wednesday. I think one way to get in touch with the true meaning of Well, actually, it's because the majority of the sun's light in the longer wavelengths(the red) is filtered out by the atmosphere, leaving the shorter wavelengths, the blue, to filter through. In the interests of helping this discussion along I'd like to introduce a useful distinction. When I hear stuff on this list about so called artists who think that a book is a stack of paper written in wet paint and stuck together between covers of dried excrement, well sorry, but there is a tradition and a body of knowledge about the fine art of the bookbinder here that goes back many centuries that is being deliberately denied by people who have not paid their dues in training, do not have a clue about the skills required to bind a fine book and don't even have 'the intellect of a pickle'. Not everything is. I think you'll find that you've described a codex, which is the form of the book that the western world has used since around the time of the calendar change. I have seen many artist's books = that > aren't technically "books". Worry about movies and Barnes & Nobles. Thanks for both versions of this, Paul and Susan. It a further elaboration of my continuing fascination with this ancient book structure. I have made a lot of books since then, but, in part because I chose to make books which engaged literary texts in a kind of dialogue about what kind of book (structurally and otherwise) might best collaborate with them, I've sort of been on various borders between literary bookmaking, fine bookmaking, and artist's bookmaking. Just as an example, I have many of the rare books that I sell >restored or rebound in England by fine craft binders who work under >contract for me. CD-- "Patchwork Girl" by Shelly jackson "Califia" by MD Covekley (hope I have that right) interactive books (book-artish in keeping with the ongoing thread) AND for those with a sci-fi interest; Neal Stephenson's "A YOung Lady's Illustrated Primer" about an interactive book which adapts its story line to the first owner who opens the book (it maps the brain, don't ya know) and then the book is "acted" in by actor's in another location who swing into action when the book is oepned and the young girl needs to read or hear a story..that's a simplistic telling of the storyline, the book is quite excellent, but these are interesting ideas in the realm of the book and how it is defined. Peter maybe you should send students on their own quest to answer this enigmatic question? Just as one person's truth isn't necessarily the other person's truth, so, too with art. From: yara ferreira cluver ycluver__at__INDIANA. I don't know why I am doing this. I once watched a couple dozen librarians examine 20 or 30 artists' books as part of professional field trip to a major art museum's research library. In reference to modern things.) Such a treatise occupying numerous sheets or leaves fastened together at one edge called the back, so as to be opened at any particular place, the whole being protected by binding or covers of some kind. We got to get rid of those berets! Writing my essay about first day of school The massive price sways of the early nineties(sometimes prices of parts would drop more than $400 in a week!), have begun to settle, and before long it'll stop. I figured I was taking a 1950's idea and updating it to the 1990's. I haven't written the other book yet. I'm an artist and I say this is art so it is. First he studied the techniques of old masters, and then having all the NECESSARY knowledge he started to experiment with his own visions. It's not an either/or situation. In the mid-9th century, however, books in scroll form were gradually replaced by books in leaf form. There can be value principles in both categories. And when a book can be both well made and imaginatively powerful, yes, that's the best it gets. Michelle made a quilt and two pillows from our words and > images using paper, vinyl, all kinds of mixed media, and fabric. It is a scroll. BTW, I personally get around some of this mess (for those who REALLY NEED to know exactly what it is they're seeing before forming their own opinion) by calling much of my work Book Objects. Then how do we identify an "artist" so we can know that that person's books are artist's books? I'll give it to my > poetry students.. Peter, I think you have the answer yourself. The first matter was to settle the seemingly easy but really difficult question, What is a book? OK, Richard. BSO catagory.) I do think there is value in making "regular" sort of books before going into book shaped objects.
Get a Prototype Made. How Hobbies and Crafts. • Flower Arranging and Floral Art • Plastic and Adhesive Projects • Decoration Projects • Dolls and Doll He was published by thrid party only once. I think its important not to pigeonhole oursleves into fixed definitions, but at the same time it annoys me to no end to have students in a bookmaking class be told that anything can be a book. Paul you might want to expand your definition to include **all** methods > of page attachment including Spiral, Wire-O, Post, Perfect, and Double Fan > Adhesive Binding to name just a few that do not involve sewing. Richard, the sometimes artist. On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Dorothy Africa wrote: > >> Just out of curiousity, is there a craftsperson on the list who would >> accept this definition of craftsman?? James I didn't quite follow what you meant. This is very good, Judith -- about language and so much more. The period of the Sui and Tang dynasties, when hand copying flourished, was also the period when the scroll and rod system reached its height and when beautiful bindings appeared. A computer can boast NONE of those qualities, and that's why the book will be in use for millenia in to the future. The question of artist's books is one that thoroughly perplexes me also, so i will refrain from trying to define it myself. Just as a poem today is not quite what it was 500 years ago (or not necessarily), and 'art' in general has expanded to include what artists have made -- even grammar has had its changes, and linguists like to speak of "descriptive" linguistics rather than "prescriptive" linguistics; I would hope that "book" could adapt its definition over time to take in more than what conforms to what this post suggests. I still think this covers, rather succinctly, all forms of books -- or book-like objects (but not book-shaped objects) -- made by artists, typographers, printmakers, etc, as long as the inherent ideals of "bookness" are present. What are the features of. To avoid this, book makers added another sheet of paper to the folded pile. For me the bookness that Peter wrote about is a very strong element when it comes to bindings. You must have mistaken this = for Conceptual_Art-L. Michelle made a quilt and two pillows from our words and images using paper, vinyl, all kinds of mixed media, and fabric. Someone also seemed to have a problem with artist's books that are fragile and need to be handled with care.
From: Shireen Holman tholman__at__CLARK. I agree. It's like being back in school and having heated, quasi-intellectual discussions in the coffeee shop or pub. A pretty damned good one, but nothing more. Someone that makes a book that is perceived as art must be an artist as >well as an excellent bookbinder.. I do not like the solution of book object for myself because I find it tends to take away from the intimacy and concept of a book. Yep, it's a fascinating discussion. The point I'm trying to make is that all of us who love books are operating on an historical continuum. The pages, he said, are underlined and written on. Well Daria, here is my. From: Joyce Jenkins joycej__at__MUSKOX. My brother in law did a uni project that contained some of his photographs and some wonderful writing, and he stuck it in a crap binding, and his instructor called him on it, rightfully, I think. Sorry, >that's the facts. They become instantly recognizable, and though they retain some beauty and functional traits, but the brains and the heart (which made them so admirable) are gone. But when given a choice of the finely crafted book whose form doesn't particularly interact with its content (or, frankly, whose content may not interest me), or a less well made 'book' which is clearly a powerful imaginatively made object -- I'd usually rather be holding/seeing/reading (whatever is appropriate here) the latter. It is almost impossible to find such trained >craftsman in the USA. I'm going to take the bait. It's nice to have new voices. A literary composition such as would occupy one or more volumes, without regard to the material form or forms in which it actually exists, 'an intellectual composition, in prose or verse, at least of sufficient extent to make one volume'. Limited Time Offer, Buy It Now! A good palce to start a conversation. Computers need electricity, and batteries die. I was just going over MIT's e-book site, looking over the Hypnerotomachia Polyphili (Aldus, Venice 1499). Unlike Michaelangelo, who had any number of problems with his art work during his lifetime; or Leonardo, whose "Last Supper" was dismembering itself during the years that he was painting it. But then, we may have to get into a discussion about the definition of "reading". Bridge etc, a specified number of= tricks that must be won before scoring can take place -vt 1. My definition of not just the artists book, but book in general is an object which contains. No one, methinks. Even Picasso did not start form painting cubic forms. It's also good to consider that books are often made to *communicate with other people.* I chose a CD-ROM over a more precious book form because I wanted to reach a large number of people, affordably, *and* I wanted to force people to use their computer for something else than looking at sports stats, stock reports, psycho gunmen games and porn. The overlapping of form (materials) and content > > (message) is quite often the major vehicle for creative expression. A great painting with a lousy frame is still a great painting, whereas an artist's book is all of a piece -- you probably can't separate the art from the frame. I think that generalizations have a place, as long as it is understood there are lots of exceptions. The stack was bound by jute, package >style with a bow on top so that the contents could not be read, only the >top sheet. I > would hope that "book" could adapt its definition over time to take in more > than what conforms to what this post suggests. Ah, yes, another exercises of the blind men and the elephant.. Otherwise it's not a book but something else, such as sculpture. I suggest reading McLuhan's "The Gutenburg Galaxy" to see just how volatile the debate of amanuense vs. The advantage, supposedly, will be in having so much information at our fingertips (while out in our boat or up in the mountains, or sitting in our living room.) No doubt the internet and all other forms of communication will be connected, too, and a portable printer, fax and copier ( which has already melded into one).
I'm working on the catalog for it and I'm very excited about how it is developing. The physical form of the codex is derived from the diptych, two wooden boards, one of which was coated with resin, on which personal notes were usually kept (especially in the merchant classes). Depending on the mood one was trying to establish, brown water, >purple-green dirt and brown sky might -- in fact -- be the perfect >design for the purpose. Or.. if I had gotten some general consensus from a group of those who are intimately involved with the thing, I'd say "The general consensus of those intimately involved with.. Lots of artists out there whose work looks completely mindless. To merely paint does not elevate one to be an artist, no more than using a computer instantly makes you a programmer. Nothing anyone thinks changes the originial intent of the artist. I mean, after the CD-ROM was done, I went out and got a press and started laying down type. The dichotomy is further fuelled by book artists themselves, who subvert the conventions of both worlds by packaging highly personal or complicated ideas in the form of a popular commodity". It always occurs evenly, (unless it hits something particularily bad in one spot) and looks quite nice. I want to push the matter of consensus. Benefits of. The process of looking up a single sentence in the text might require the unrolling of most of a scroll. Before long, however, this new form was also found to have some drawbacks. I have two thoughts that I'd like to share. How it compares with a painting of the same subject by the same artist is not important. The material article so made up, without regard to the nature of its contents, even though its pages are occupied otherwise than with writing or printing, or are entirely blank: e.g. Yeah, I guess that's just what I mean. Some will, of course, say she is not, or her works are not art but might be craft, or whatever, but to her friends, family, acquaintances, and maybe even some critics (remember, everyone's a critic) she is considered an Artist and what she does is considered Art. No reason to diminish the craftsmen or try to box them into a corner of the art world. Op zoek naar drums, boomwhackers, andere drumgerelateerde artikelen, workshops of Advertising essays Bij Triepels Slagwerk in Geleen bent u aan het juiste adres; de I have studied this matter and have come to the conclusion that *years* of apprenticeship is another word for exclusion; i.e, a union. Peter: After reading what I just wrote, I blame you for making me think about things like: Why is the sky blue? Learning the trade (purposefully I avoid the term craft because of its negative connotation) of hand bookbinding is a very long process requireing knowledge of tools, materials, chemistry of leather, paper, binding techniques, etc. To be perfectly clear - their work is often an art and carries a strong message. This came to be called a "whirlwind binding".) These two forms of binding appeared in the mid-9th century. It begins in one form and through the manipulation of the viewer/reader takes on another form. There are plenty of 'artists' books' where it is precisely the textual which is of primary interest. C. Stall > > At 05:31 PM 03/09/1998 -0500, you wrote: > >>> This discuss brings to mind an art piece done by Mary Scott from Calgary, > >>> Alberta Canada that always intrigued me. The bed turns into a series of accordion fold books when not completely dissassembled, and everything tucks back into a couple of boxes. From: Jennifer Marie Gorman > This definition of a artist's book is far off the mark.. Der Buchbinder als Architekt des Buches baut eine Fassade seiner Zeit. And probably others whose work is considered mindless by the current >consensus and will be judged the work of genius two generations from now.
Journeyman) an artisan, as the Diplome de la Maitrise wasn't reuired for ones own shop. At 12:11 PM 3/5/98 -0500, you wrote: > After reading what I just wrote, I blame you for making me think about >things like: Why is the sky blue? It's a really good resource that was written to walk artists through how to find work and get of writing about your work write one for you, choose someone True, and it's pretty difficult then to tell just what it is that makes it art for the one or two people who do it in some extraordinary way. I think it is important to tell students that this is a complex and confusing matter with its own vocabulary (I still can't bring myself to say the word "bookness") and ongoing evolution. Clearly, a discussion of what makes a GOOD artist's book is valid, it should just not get confused with the definition. Even within a small >group of people there are disagreements and agreements about the specific >meanings of language - the larger the group, the fuzzier the area of >agreement. The tradition is important! The problems I have are that all too often I have seen poor workmanship excused with the phrase, "it's art" or dismissed as irrelevant. Write my paper reviews university of phoenix In traditional bookwork it's much easier and more socially acceptable to be >hard on poor workmanship, in art, and I sense it more with the "artist's >book" scene it doesn't seem as acceptable. Artist's books are little worlds--secrets almost--even when they are huge in structure--they are intimate and bold--and possess the ability to incorporate so many different forms of media in a uniquely revisited way. Is this like reverse applque--that is the ground fabric shows through a design cut in the top fabric? I have seen many artist's books that aren't technically "books". She has many good qualities, which is why we have remained married for 25 years (I suppose that I have one or two good qualities also, which may explain why she has remained married to me [this message brought to you by the PC police..]. Depending on the mood one was trying to establish, brown water, purple-green dirt and brown sky might -- in fact -- be the perfect design for the purpose. With this new kind of binding, a reader could easily turn to any leaf to look up a word or a sentence, without having to unroll the whole book. J. A. H. Murray in 13th Addr.
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